Eschatology’s power is in the past

[EarlyActs]

A powerful eschatology is not one with the future figured out. It is one which correctly declares Christ to be enthroned as in Acts 2-4. That he has an imperative kingdom which all people should submit to , lest they be crushed by him. It should be solidly grounded in Ps 2 and 110.

 

[TMSO]

A powerful eschatology is not one with the future figured out. It is one which correctly declares Christ to be enthroned as in Acts 2-4. That he has an imperative kingdom which all people should submit to , lest they be crushed by him. It should be solidly grounded in Ps 2 and 110.

So we are to ignore what Jesus said?

 

[Alive]

In a nutshell…Christ’s first advent guarantees His Second.
Maranatha!

 

[David1701]

A powerful eschatology is not one with the future figured out. It is one which correctly declares Christ to be enthroned as in Acts 2-4. That he has an imperative kingdom which all people should submit to , lest they be crushed by him. It should be solidly grounded in Ps 2 and 110.

The foundational truths are certainly the most important (and date setting is a recipe for disaster).

The Lord reigns now.

The Lord will return in his glory.

The Lord will take his people to be with him forever at his return.

The Lord will judge the wicked at his return.

 

[Mr GLee]

A powerful eschatology is not one with the future figured out. It is one which correctly declares Christ to be enthroned as in Acts 2-4. That he has an imperative kingdom which all people should submit to , lest they be crushed by him. It should be solidly grounded in Ps 2 and 110.

I would agree. . not one with the future figured out. Believers walk (understand) by faith the unseen eternal things. Believers have prophecy sealed till the end of time. . . while Satan is still free as the king of lying sign with all power to deceive .

No sign other than the sign of times. History repeating. . things continuing till the last day

Jesus informs its natural uncovered mankind that does seek after lying sign to wonder after .They have no faith as it is written power to believe God and do his will. The pagan foundation .Out of sight out of mind. . Cain "I know not where my brother Abel is" I just came from the corn field . . did you check the lambs ?

Believers have prohecy till the end of time .In that way it is impossible to deceive the elect Christians, they will not add or subtract from the perfect.

The time of first century reformation had come.(Hebrew 9) Christ reestablishing his Kingship as King of kings, Lord of lords, Father of fathers.

The Pagan Jew in their jealousy demanded a king like that of all the pagan faithless nations. Christ gave them over to Blaspheme his name until, the appointed time first cetury. . reestablishing his King ship (Hebrew 9) The ceremonial shadows fell . Faith the unseen things of Christ was restored

1 Samuel 8:4-9 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

 

[EarlyActs]

So we are to ignore what Jesus said?

The fact that Jesus spent 40 days explaining this to the apostles is the reason for putting so much weight on it. Both them and Paul made dire warnings about that generation; that is far more certain than about our generation. But the weight of Ps 2 and 110, and 118, is in Jesus' own words, if you search.

 

[EarlyActs]

In a nutshell…Christ’s first advent guarantees His Second.
Maranatha!

That is true, but there is even more force to the 1st. The resurrection was His enthronement; Acts 2-4, and Phil 2, Eph 1, Rom 1, Col 1, Heb 1. All honor is due the Son now, at the risk of being crushed by Him.

 

[Mr GLee]

A powerful eschatology is not one with the future figured out.

I would agree.

I would offer we are lovingly commanded to not wonder how a matter will end but rather trust his living word as it is written .

Seeking the end as a sign would seem to be something to avoid . Seeking in that way seems to reveal the different kind of hermeneutic styles not a salvation issue. Shown by the use of four gospel interpretation Mathew, Mark, Luke, John. ..a difference

The Holy Spirit through Jesus His prophet warned Nicodenmus a sign and wonder seeker in respect to the greatest possible miracle "born again of God ".Marvel not" in effect saying. . but rather believe Christ not seen who works in sons of God. .Christians

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Seeking after sign to wonder after would seem to be what I call identifying the identity thief and liar. The king of lying signs to wonder after as if prophecy. The dark one working overtime today the god of genders identity confusion. No signs to wonder or marvel after was given .

In that way a distinction between the word "sign and mark" must be made Satan would have mankind believe its all one in the same .

Its not the "sign" of the beast but is the "mark" . Mark used 8 times Revelation, sign 2 times

The sign three days and night that of the prophet Jonas became sight. The father working in the Son of man Jesus :


Jesus the prophet in Matthew 23, before walking out of the temple made with human hands (abomination of desolation) declared it is desolate not will be as a sign to seek after .Is desolate the mark of his word what he said did came to pass .The apostles thought he must of had his eyes closed. . wanting him to re- enter the abomination of deisolation .Pagan Kings in Israel .

Mathew 23:38 Behold, your house si left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you

No sign was given. Signs follow prophecy

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;(false prophets) they shall speak with new tongues;(the gospel )

Again do not follow after . .wondering, why, were. . when?. Rather than by the living word as it is written.

He will come like a thief the night and steal us away

The prophecy below.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

The fulfilment or witness .

lol we are from Missouri the show me State of mind .Out of sight out of mind .

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

 

[TATII]

All honor is due the Son now, at the risk of being crushed by Him.

What about becoming Him?

 

[EarlyActs]

What about becoming Him?

When someone has been designated the Lord of the world because of his travail for mankind's sins, I don't think we should be talking about 'becoming Him'

 

[TATII]

When someone has been designated the Lord of the world because of his travail for mankind's sins, I don't think we should be talking about 'becoming Him'

Well how do you define "Christ?"

He is clearly defined as a "Body with a Head"...one new man...a spiritual man...the son of God...the temple of God...a man in the image and likeness of God. What does "in Christ" mean to you?

What are you thinking?

Tatwo...

 

[EarlyActs]

Well how do you define "Christ?"

He is clearly defined as a "Body with a Head"...one new man...a spiritual man...the son of God...the temple of God...a man in the image and likeness of God. What does "in Christ" mean to you?

What are you thinking?

Tatwo...

He is the Son mentioned in Ps 2 and 110.

 

[TMSO]

The fact that Jesus spent 40 days explaining this to the apostles is the reason for putting so much weight on it. Both them and Paul made dire warnings about that generation; that is far more certain than about our generation. But the weight of Ps 2 and 110, and 118, is in Jesus' own words, if you search.

Consider what is happening around us right now. What is it now, a hurricane once a year (or twice) to wipe out the south eastern seaboard? Quite a few nasty earthquakes? Wars that are going on, and there are plenty of rumors of war to possibly come. (Little known fact, if Biden/Harris make the wrong choice, WW III is here. Russia already said that if we gave certain rights to Ukraine, they would declare war on the US and NATO (Wester Europe). And when they said that, Biden and NATO held a meeting about giving Ukraine those rights. This is not the utopia the Post Millennialists promise. Consider that it is possible, in the very near future, the whole shipping industry on the Eastern Seaboard is going to shut down. That will greatly affect prices of everything, and economists say that the effects will be felt all the way through the holiday season. Oh, the strike starts Tuesday... How much more does God have to do to say that there is something coming?

 

[EarlyActs]

Those passages are about that generation. You can tell from the details. It was tumultuous then as well. The point being that it was not a panacea bc the kingdom is not about events. It is about one event and what is imperative for us bc of that event.

 

[TATII]

How much more does God have to do to say that there is something coming?

Really nothing more...for us...however few seem to be listening.

They have had their minds blinded by fear.

Tatwo...

 

[Mr GLee]

Well how do you define "Christ?"

He is clearly defined as a "Body with a Head"...one new man...a spiritual man...the son of God...the temple of God...a man in the image and likeness of God. What does "in Christ" mean to you?

What are you thinking?

Tatwo...

Invisible head . . .Yes

It means anointing master or teacher. The husband of the bride called the church.

Antichrist false teacher or false anointing ones sent as false aposatles snt with false prophecy (oral traditons of dying mankind )

Both words used as a warning what not to do

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1John 2 26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[CrowCross]

Consider what is happening around us right now. What is it now, a hurricane once a year (or twice) to wipe out the south eastern seaboard? Quite a few nasty earthquakes? Wars that are going on, and there are plenty of rumors of war to possibly come. (Little known fact, if Biden/Harris make the wrong choice, WW III is here. Russia already said that if we gave certain rights to Ukraine, they would declare war on the US and NATO (Wester Europe). And when they said that, Biden and NATO held a meeting about giving Ukraine those rights. This is not the utopia the Post Millennialists promise. Consider that it is possible, in the very near future, the whole shipping industry on the Eastern Seaboard is going to shut down. That will greatly affect prices of everything, and economists say that the effects will be felt all the way through the holiday season. Oh, the strike starts Tuesday... How much more does God have to do to say that there is something coming?

I think we can look at prophecy, news, technology, etc. to help us present a "window".

Here's 15 off the top of my head.

For example Israel becoming a nation again is one indicator.
The Ezekiel nation alignment is a second. Russia aligning with Iran, Turkey and the other nations mentioned in that text. Sometimes it's hard to convert from the old nation names to the current nation names. Currently those nations appear to be aligned against Israel.
3.....Technology has been developed that would allow for the mark of the Beast to be employed. It's not quite there but almost there.
4....The Gospel pretty much has been preached to the entire world.
5....The NWO, UN as well as the WEF are working on a one world Government.
6....Plans for the new Temple in Israel are well under way.
7....A "peace treaty" known as the Abrahamic accord has been drafted.
8....The "like the days of Noah" is pretty much here. Transhumanism is being developed and rolled out.
9....AI currently is becoming closer to the "singularity. Rev 13:15 may be the singularity.
10...Peole are traveling to and fro..and knowledge is increasing at a startling rate.
11...A one world currency is being established.
12.... UN "peace and security" statue.
13...Many false Churches.
14....Wars and rumors of Wars. Though this seem to have always been happening.
15....Earthquakes in diverse places? I don't know if I would count the many "small" earthquakes but would expect to hear of major earthquakes happening every month or perhaps every week.

Currently we seem to be in that window.

 

[TMSO]

I think we can look at prophecy, news, technology, etc. to help us present a "window".

Here's 15 off the top of my head.

For example Israel becoming a nation again is one indicator.
The Ezekiel nation alignment is a second. Russia aligning with Iran, Turkey and the other nations mentioned in that text. Sometimes it's hard to convert from the old nation names to the current nation names. Currently those nations appear to be aligned against Israel.
3.....Technology has been developed that would allow for the mark of the Beast to be employed. It's not quite there but almost there.
4....The Gospel pretty much has been preached to the entire world.
5....The NWO, UN as well as the WEF are working on a one world Government.
6....Plans for the new Temple in Israel are well under way.
7....A "peace treaty" known as the Abrahamic accord has been drafted.
8....The "like the days of Noah" is pretty much here. Transhumanism is being developed and rolled out.
9....AI currently is becoming closer to the "singularity. Rev 13:15 may be the singularity.
10...Peole are traveling to and fro..and knowledge is increasing at a startling rate.
11...A one world currency is being established.
12.... UN "peace and security" statue.
13...Many false Churches.
14....Wars and rumors of Wars. Though this seem to have always been happening.
15....Earthquakes in diverse places? I don't know if I would count the many "small" earthquakes but would expect to hear of major earthquakes happening every month or perhaps every week.

Currently we seem to be in that window.

I think that AI could be part of the image of the beast. The beast being a man, and the image of the beast being made in the beasts likeness, like Jesus the Son. (Son meaning in the likeness of... that is, Jesus is God.)

 

[Mr GLee]

I think that AI could be part of the image of the beast. The beast being a man, and the image of the beast being made in the beasts likeness, like Jesus the Son. (Son meaning in the likeness of... that is, Jesus is God.)

It would seem mankind's inability to see the unseen eternal things of Christ. They have eyes and ears but no understanding that comes from the faithful "Let there be" Creator as written undestanding (sola scriptura) The living word .having 2/3 of the perfect .666 believer the whole vision .333

It would seem Satan the author of lying sign to wonder after. . the king of identity theft (I will be like God ) Understands the coming of new creatures as believers they are not considered male nor female, Jew nor gentile.

Has sent a lying wonder the ressurection has come. new government ..You can be reincarnated into anything you desire . . causing a wonder, wonder, wonder .Not following prophecy taking away our need to wonder. .

Jesus lovingly commanded Nicodemus one that did follow after seeking a sign mankind to wonder before they would believe not but rather believe God not seen as it is written by his finger or will.

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Today Full blown Gnosticism. . secrets as lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after .Overthrowing the power of Christ faith as a labor of his love . . That power that he can work in us. . . if we harden not our hearts when when we hear His voice

He has delivered us

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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God is not a racist.

Satan the legion is.

 

[CrowCross]

I think that AI could be part of the image of the beast.

This beast can be seen in Rev 13.

The beast being a man, and the image of the beast being made in the beasts likeness, like Jesus the Son. (Son meaning in the likeness of... that is, Jesus is God.)

Not sure I follow you here as I'm trying to figure out what you're saying.