Entropy

[Carbon]

When did entropy (decay) start? In the beginning, at creation or at the Fall?

 

[makesends]

When did entropy (decay) start? In the beginning, at creation or at the Fall?

My personal opinion is that it started with creation.

 

[CrowCross]

When did entropy (decay) start? In the beginning, at creation or at the Fall?

Depends on the entropy.

If a piece of fruit fell from the trees in the center of the garden...would it rot?
How about radio active decay?
....though I do think mans genetic make-up....DNA... began to decay after the fall....look at us now.

 

[John Bauer]

When did entropy (decay) start? In the beginning, at creation or at the Fall?

Likely within 10⁻³⁶ to 10⁻³² seconds after the Big Bang.

 

[CrowCross]

Sometimes God stops entropy...Deut 29:5 I have led you forty years in the wilderness. Your clothes have not worn out on you, and your sandals have not worn off your feet.

 

[fastfredy0]

Entropy is just a subset of our observations of what God is doing in regard to His creation. We put a label on what He does so as to organize things and help us makes guesses what will happen next on the assumption God doesn't change the way He operates often.

 

[Carbon]

My personal opinion is that it started with creation.

I agree

 

[Carbon]

Depends on the entropy.

Okay

If a piece of fruit fell from the trees in the center of the garden...would it rot?

A piece of fruit? What do you think?
I believe even if a whole piece fell, it would rot.

How about radio active decay?
....though I do think mans genetic make-up....DNA... began to decay after the fall....look at us now.

 

[Carbon]

Likely within 10⁻³⁶ to 10⁻³² seconds after the Big Bang.

Agree

 

[CrowCross]

Okay

A piece of fruit? What do you think?
I believe even if a whole piece fell, it would rot.

I don't. A piece of fruit is designed to rot...and return to the dust where it supples the soil with nutrients...then the seeds can grow and produce more fruit tree.

 

[John Bauer]

Depends on the entropy.

Any of them. It matters not. Thermodynamic (heat flow from hot object to cold object), statistical (gas expanding to fill a room), cosmological (overall energy distribution of the universe), etc.

Any finite, physical system composed of matter and energy—such as the garden of Eden—must obey the second law of thermodynamics if it's to exhibit coherent causal order and energy flow. Without entropy gradients (differences in potential energy), no work could be done: no photosynthesis, metabolism, or sensory activity. If Eden was warmed by the sun, that's energy moving and thus entropy. If Eden had green plants, that's photosynthesis and thus entropy. If Adam and Eve could eat food, that's digestion and thus entropy.

And so on.

If there were no entropy in Eden, there would be no life in Eden. The Fall introduced moral disorder, not physical laws.

 

[CrowCross]

Any of them. It matters not. Thermodynamic (heat flow from hot object to cold object), statistical (gas expanding to fill a room), cosmological (overall energy distribution of the universe), etc.

Any finite, physical system composed of matter and energy—such as the garden of Eden—must obey the second law of thermodynamics if it's to exhibit coherent causal order and energy flow. Without entropy gradients (differences in potential energy), no work could be done: no photosynthesis, metabolism, or sensory activity. If Eden was warmed by the sun, that's energy moving and thus entropy. If Eden had green plants, that's photosynthesis and thus entropy. If Adam and Eve could eat food, that's digestion and thus entropy.

And so on.

If there were no entropy in Eden, there would be no life in Eden. The Fall introduced moral disorder, not physical laws.

I agree. I liked this part...."The Fall introduced moral disorder, not physical laws."

All though the earth is groaning.

 

[makesends]

I don't. A piece of fruit is designed to rot...and return to the dust where it supples the soil with nutrients...then the seeds can grow and produce more fruit tree.

Sounds like you are both saying the same thing.

 

[CrowCross]

Sounds like you are both saying the same thing.

One might be able to argue that entropy was increased???

 

[makesends]

One might be able to argue that entropy was increased???

—at the fall, I suppose you mean? Sin's use of it, I suppose, but that is more than I can analyze in my current state of mind. Still on my first cup of coffee.