Does the Father Have A Celestial Body?

[ChristB4us]

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. KJV

Now I apply the above reference with this reference below.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men..... 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is the Creator by whom all things were made, right?

Now when it comes to prayer as Jesus being the only Mediator between God and men, He presents all intercessions through Himself so that when the father agrees with any of those intercessions, be it ours, the silent intercessions of the Holy Spirit as given by the Son, or the Son's own intercessions for us, the Son answers the prayers.

Now imagine Jesus as the Word of God asking the Father to make man in "our" image and after "our" likeness for which the Father agreed to in letting His Son do that and He did after His image and after His likeness.

But does that not suggest that the Father also has a celestial body for which man was created after and not just the Son's?

Because nobody likes to read long post, I shall move on to the other point of truth in the next post.

 

[ChristB4us]

Would that suggest that one day when Jesus takes us Home to Heaven, we will see the Father? Yes.

John 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you. 23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

In that day, we will not need Jesus as our Mediator in Heaven since we can ask the Father directly face to face because He loves us.

Next post will be about those who apply "God is a Spirit thus inferring that the Father has no celestial body.

 

[ChristB4us]

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

When applying His answer to the woman's question about where to worship God at...the mountains as her people do or in Jerusalem as the Jews do, you may see that Jesus is removing any place as that specified place of worship as if God cannot be restricted to that place to be worshipped. That means God can be worshipped any where.

Course how does one come to God the Father anywhere? By the only way of the Son in honoring the Son. That is how one can approach God the Father anywhere in worship.

Next post will be addressing how some apply scripture to mean God is invisible.

 

[ChristB4us]

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Hopefully the Lord will help all who apply this the wrong way or has been taught the wrong way that God the Father is invisible to reconsider that by looking at Jesus Christ Whom is not invisible, who is the image of the invisible God, then how can God the Father be invisible?

What if "invisible" just means not presently seen?

Where can we find another example of that in scripture? Well, invisible has also been applied to Jesus Christ, the King of kings.

1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So do reconsider that the Father is not invisible as some day we will see the Father just as we will see the Lord in Heaven as created in their image and after their likeness.

 

[ReverendRV]

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. KJV

Now I apply the above reference with this reference below.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men..... 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is the Creator by whom all things were made, right?

Now when it comes to prayer as Jesus being the only Mediator between God and men, He presents all intercessions through Himself so that when the father agrees with any of those intercessions, be it ours, the silent intercessions of the Holy Spirit as given by the Son, or the Son's own intercessions for us, the Son answers the prayers.

Now imagine Jesus as the Word of God asking the Father to make man in "our" image and after "our" likeness for which the Father agreed to in letting His Son do that and He did after His image and after His likeness.

But does that not suggest that the Father also has a celestial body for which man was created after and not just the Son's?

Because nobody likes to read long post, I shall move on to the other point of truth in the next post.

No...

 

[ChristB4us]

No...

Any scripture for that?

 

[Fred]

When I first read the title I thought I was going to see this in the Mormon section of this web site.

 

[ReverendRV]

Any scripture for that?

God is Spirit...

Since God became Flesh, he Logically started as Spirit...

It doesn't matter if we can argue that God is Flesh now, his first Ontology is Spirit. God does not change lest we are destroyed. Therefore the Father's first Ontology is his forever Ontology...

 

[ReverendRV]

When I first read the title I thought I was going to see this in the Mormon section of this web site.

Are you a Mormon, Christ before us?

 

[ChristB4us]

When I first read the title I thought I was going to see this in the Mormon section of this web site.

Why? Do Mormons teach that the Father has a celestial body too?

 

[ChristB4us]

God is Spirit...

See post #3.

Since God became Flesh, he Logically started as Spirit...

And yet the request to make man was in our image and after our likeness? Explain that.

It doesn't matter if we can argue that God is Flesh now, his first Ontology is Spirit. God does not change lest we are destroyed. Therefore the Father's first Ontology is his forever Ontology...

Still applicable towards what I am sharing in that God the Father & the Son had each a celestial body for why the Word of God had asked the Father to "Let US make man in OUR image and after OUR likeness."

So God has never changed when the Father & the Son had an image and likeness for how man that was made after Them on the 6th day.

 

[Fred]

Why? Do Mormons teach that the Father has a celestial body too?

Degrees of glory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ChristB4us]

Degrees of glory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I disagree with this notion that there are 3 degrees of glory as there are only vessels unto honor in His House as the vessel of gold & silver and vessels unto dishonor in His House, the vessels of wood & earth that did not depart form iniquity by His grace & by His help before the Bridegroom had come..

Could not find a direct statement there but did elsewhere in that Wikipedia.

Mormon Cosmology

"God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are recognized as the three constituent entities of the Godhead. The Holy Ghost has a spirit body, in contrast with the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, who have physical celestial bodies of flesh and bones."

Not sure I would word it like that as "flesh and bone" even though it is somewhat physical so that in Genesis 18th chapter when Abraham presented the meat and drink to the Lord & the two "men" that came with Him, He did eat and drink what was provided as the two men did too.

Genesis 18:1-19 KJV

We prophesy in part & know in part bit someday, we will see Him face to face and know all things and rejoice in the Lord Jesus Christ & the Father by Him.

 

[Sereni-tea]

In Genesis, the "image of God" is not in reference to a physical image, but rather refers to mankind's role as God's representative in ruling, or having stewardship, over His creation:

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Genesis 1:26

 

[ChristB4us]

In Genesis, the "image of God" is not in reference to a physical image, but rather refers to mankind's role as God's representative in ruling, or having stewardship, over His creation:

I thank you for sharing but that is two different subjects in that reference you had given for how man was created after and then why or what man was created for.

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Genesis 1:26

 

[justbyfaith]

God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24).

He is not a man that He should lie (Numbers 23:19).

 

[KatarinaVonBora]

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. KJV

Now I apply the above reference with this reference below.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men..... 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is the Creator by whom all things were made, right?

Now when it comes to prayer as Jesus being the only Mediator between God and men, He presents all intercessions through Himself so that when the father agrees with any of those intercessions, be it ours, the silent intercessions of the Holy Spirit as given by the Son, or the Son's own intercessions for us, the Son answers the prayers.

Now imagine Jesus as the Word of God asking the Father to make man in "our" image and after "our" likeness for which the Father agreed to in letting His Son do that and He did after His image and after His likeness.

But does that not suggest that the Father also has a celestial body for which man was created after and not just the Son's?

Because nobody likes to read long post, I shall move on to the other point of truth in the next post.

Whenever I see the word [celestial] I think of THE cult of MORMONISM.

 

[ChristB4us]

Whenever I see the word [celestial] I think of THE cult of MORMONISM.

Understandable but Mormonism is not the origin of that word celestial. FYI I am not a Mormon.

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
You have two kinds of inheritance in His House. This is why former believers and believers living in unrepentant iniquity are to go before that throne of grace for help to see the lies that turned them away from Him and the iniquities so they can turn to Him for help to depart from them so they would be ready to be received by the Bridegroom at the pre great tribulation rapture event for when God will judge His House first.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So those who depart from iniquities by His grace & by His help, shall be received as vessels unto honor whereas those found still in iniquity when the Bridegroom comes, they are condemned, thus damned and therefore why they are denied by Him to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven for why and how they become vessels unto dishonor, vessels of wood and earth, to be resurrected after the great tribulation to serve the King of kings on earth.

It is akin to the prodigal son that gave up his first inheritance for wild living and can never get it back, but he is still son.

Still, while the door to the Marriage Supper is still open, may every former believer and unrepentant but saved believer depart from iniquity by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son before the Bridegroom comes.