Red Baker
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Is repentance one of the works of the law/flesh whereby our sins are legally forgiven?Keiw1 said:
Jesus death covers those who do this-Acts 3:19--you see it takes repentance and turning around to get sin blotted out--so no it is not covered automatically for anyone.
Keiw1 said yes, I say, that's another gospel packaged and wrapped as the gospel of Jesus Christ. That may be the doctrine of the Jehovah Witnesses, but it falls under the curse of God.
The sins of those who were ordained to eternal life are covered freely by grace, through the redemption that is in Jesus Christ.
Consider with me: If all our sins be legally pardoned, then we need not pray for pardon of them ever again, as Matt. 6.
By pardon in Matt. 6, we are to understand the manifestation of pardon, the assurance and enjoyment of pardon in the conscience, the effect is here put for the cause. It must be so understood, because there is no pardon but this now attainable, therefore not to be prayed for. For seeing Christ will die no more, "there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin," Hebrews 10:26. It's in vain for any to pray for the pardon of the remission of that sin; which is not remitted before in Christ, Hebrews 10:18; 2nd Corinthains 5:19.
There IS that which attends the act of sin, which darkens, sads and clouds the soul's peace, (though it ought not so to do) which we are to pray to God to prevent or remove from us~ David, when he was converted back to fellowship did thus pray.
Some will object: Unbelievers are still in their sins, and therefore they are not justified. Answer: The elect are in their sins visibly, until they believe, and declare it by good works. They have sin in them and yet, they are free from sin. They are charged with sin, and yet they are free from all charge, Romans 8:33, and clean from all sin. Yet, he does sin and he cannot sin. This is a mystery to many: They have sin, 1st John 1:8,10; Ezekiel 16:8, they are charged with sin, James 5:17; Galatians 2:11-14. Yet, they are free from sin, Isaiah 53:5,6; 2nd Corinthains 5:21; SoS 4:7; 1st John 4:17. "They cannot sin," 1st John 3:9.
This is a mystery when Christ said, "A little while, and ye shall see me, and a little while, ye shall not see me. They said, What is this that he saith? we cannot tell what it is that he saith," John16:16-18. Shall, and shall not was a contradiction in their understandings: so will what I say be to many.
Some will object and say: Men's sins are not forgiven till they be redeemed from a vain conversation.
Then no man's sins are forgiven though they believe, and so cannot enjoy forgiveness of sin in this life, seeing every act of sin is a branch, and so a part of a vain conversation, and "in many things we sin all." Then David, notwithstanding he was converted and enjoyed the pardon of his sins, Psalms 51:12, yet he was not delivered from a vain conversation, as appeared in the matter of Bathsheba, and Uriah. And, if our justification and remission of sin did depend upon our holywalking, then folks like you do well to teach justification by works.
Some will object: All men are by nature children of wrath, and under the curse till they believe, Ephesians 2:3.
The death of the Law over God's elect grant all the elect are so by nature ONLY, under a state of wrath and curse, and they had perished in it, had not Jesus Christ by his death redeemed them out of that state. And although they were so by nature, yet at the same time they were also sons of grace and love. By nature accursed, by grace in election of grace sure to escape it, and blessed. By wrath, I understand is meant the curse of the Law, the punishment due to sin. By nature I understand the state of nature~ the state and condition of man by reason of Adam's fall, for all men were considered in him, and by his fall he made them all sinners, Romans 5:18. So, all the elect were considered in Christ, ( Ephesians 1:4 ) who by his death, did free all the elect from this fall of sin and death; so as never since Christ's death, none of the elect were under that state of wrath or curse, nor indeed could possible be for these Reasons.1) Because then "Christ redeemed them from under the Law," Galatians 4:4,5. "Thou hast redeemed us by thy blood," Revelation 5:9. "Christ was made under the Law," that we might be taken from under it. "We are the children of the free woman," Galatians 4:26,31. "We are delivered from the Law, wherein we were held:" Rom. 7:1, etc. "Now we know, that whatsoever the Law saith, it saith to them that are under the Law," Rom. 3:19. But we now are "not under the Law," therefore it has nothing to say to us, we "are under grace,"Rom. 6:14.2) Because Christ, by His death, put an end to the Law, the Law was not to last any longer then till Christ came; "The Law was added till the seed should come," Galatians 3:19. "Christ is the end of the Law:" Romans 10:4. It was never in force against any of God's elect since Christ's death. "We are freed from the Law by the body of Christ," Romans 7:4. Christ in"his flesh did abolish the Law of Commandments:" Ephesians 2:15,16; Colossians 2:13,14. "Now we are delivered from the Law," Romans 7:6. "Against such there is no law:" Galatians 5:23. If the Son shall make you as free in your consciences, as the elect are free in Him, you shall see, and say you were free indeed, John 8.3) Because the Law is dead to us, and we to it, "As a woman is freed from the law of her husband if he be dead:" so are we from the law. "Wherefore my brethren, we are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that we should be married to another, even to him,that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter," Romans 7:1-7. This new husband is better than the old. Welcome Christ, and farewell Law. Now we have nothing to do with the Law, nor the Law with us, "Our old man is crucified with him," Romans 6:6. "He that is dead is freed from sin:" v.7. "We are dead with Christ," v.8.4) Because there is none of Moses' law now in force, to the elect, with curses to be under, no law, no transgression, no curse, no penalty in force now. For when the Law ceased, the curse of the Law ceased also with it. The Law said "Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them," Galatians 3:10
So, if you believe there are certain works a sinner must do in order to have his sins blotted out, then in your repentance make sure you cover all sins: in word, deeds and thoughts and that continually every second of every day of living in this world~btw, that is impossible, and the reason why, is all live in a body of sin and death.